Following is a comment sent in by one of our readers and we would like to share it with you:
"If the girls parents allowed her access to social websites (by which she met this so called prayer group) it is highly unlikely that they are the type to resort to honour killings, and never in SL, even though the girls lawyer admits it happens in the US, which means she could still be at risk in the US and better off if returned to her parents.
Keep the girl aside.GO and check about this so called "Prayer Group"..these are the parasites in this world. Secretly brain washing poor, or uneducated or children who can not understand right or wrong. Should ban these organizations."
Thursday, August 20, 2009
The Columbus Dispatch
Girl brainwashed, parents say
Her Islamic family says she is free to be a Christian
Friday, August 14, 2009 3:05 AM
By Andrew Welsh-Huggins
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Fathima Rifqa Bary, 17, of Columbus, told a Florida TV station her family would kill her for converting."
The parents of a 17-year-old Columbus girl who ran away from her Northeast Side home to Florida dismiss her claim that she fears they will harm her for converting from Islam to Christianity.
Her parents say that Fathima Rifqa Bary was brainwashed, and they also question how she ended up in the home of a Florida family she met through an online prayer group.
Authorities are trying to determine whether the girl, a New Albany High School cheerleader who goes by Rifqa, should stay in state foster care in Florida or be returned to her family.
"We love her, we want her back, she is free to practice her religion, whatever she believes in, that's OK," her father, Mohamed Bary, said yesterday.
"What these people are trying to do is not right -- I don't think any religion will teach to separate the kids from their parents," he said.
Police investigating the girl's July 19 disappearance used phone and computer records to track her to the Rev. Blake Lorenz, pastor of the Orlando, Fla.-based Global Revolution Church, who called authorities Aug. 6 to say she was staying with his family.
With Lorenz holding his arm tightly around her, Rifqa told WFTV-TV in Florida on Monday that she would be killed if she came home.
"They love God more than me; they have to do this," she said. "I'm fighting for my life. You guys don't understand."
Lorenz did not return a phone call to the AP seeking comment.
On Monday, an Orlando judge ordered the girl into the custody of Florida's Department of Children and Families until another hearing next week.
The family is originally from Sri Lanka and came to the U.S. in 2000 to seek medical help for Rifqa, who had lost sight in her right eye when she fell and struck a toy airplane on a couch at home.
Rifqa, a high-school junior, had been questioning her faith for several months, her father said. She attended one church with friends from school and later attended services at another church, Xenos Christian Fellowship, a megachurch that emphasizes small groups meeting at home.
The church has no record of her being a member but says it's possible, given that the church has nearly 5,000 members, said spokesman Jay Reilly.
After Rifqa proselytized with a Bible at school, Mohamed Bary said, her family asked her to stop because it wasn't an appropriate activity in school. They also told her she had an obligation to study her original faith first, before choosing another.
But Mohamed Bary said that they never threatened to kill or harm the girl. "She is still my daughter," said Bary, 47, a jeweler.
Columbus police also question the girl's claim of being in danger.
Mohamed Bary "comes across to me as a loving, caring, worried father about the whereabouts and the health of his daughter," said Sgt. Jerry Cupp, chief of the Columbus police missing-persons bureau.
The family said Rifqa was baptized a Christian without their knowledge this year in Columbus. Around the same time, the girl met Lorenz through an online Facebook prayer group.
Rifqa's 18-year-old brother, Rilvan, said the family worries about her well-being. "We don't think the safest person is the pastor she met two weeks ago on Facebook," he said.
Rifqa ran away without explanation or a note. She told WFTV that she hitchhiked to the Columbus bus station, then took a bus to Orlando.
Her parents dispute that and say she must have had help because hitchhiking from her home near the northeastern edge of the city would be nearly impossible and she didn't have enough money for the trip to Florida.
Her Islamic family says she is free to be a Christian
Friday, August 14, 2009 3:05 AM
By Andrew Welsh-Huggins
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Fathima Rifqa Bary, 17, of Columbus, told a Florida TV station her family would kill her for converting."
The parents of a 17-year-old Columbus girl who ran away from her Northeast Side home to Florida dismiss her claim that she fears they will harm her for converting from Islam to Christianity.
Her parents say that Fathima Rifqa Bary was brainwashed, and they also question how she ended up in the home of a Florida family she met through an online prayer group.
Authorities are trying to determine whether the girl, a New Albany High School cheerleader who goes by Rifqa, should stay in state foster care in Florida or be returned to her family.
"We love her, we want her back, she is free to practice her religion, whatever she believes in, that's OK," her father, Mohamed Bary, said yesterday.
"What these people are trying to do is not right -- I don't think any religion will teach to separate the kids from their parents," he said.
Police investigating the girl's July 19 disappearance used phone and computer records to track her to the Rev. Blake Lorenz, pastor of the Orlando, Fla.-based Global Revolution Church, who called authorities Aug. 6 to say she was staying with his family.
With Lorenz holding his arm tightly around her, Rifqa told WFTV-TV in Florida on Monday that she would be killed if she came home.
"They love God more than me; they have to do this," she said. "I'm fighting for my life. You guys don't understand."
Lorenz did not return a phone call to the AP seeking comment.
On Monday, an Orlando judge ordered the girl into the custody of Florida's Department of Children and Families until another hearing next week.
The family is originally from Sri Lanka and came to the U.S. in 2000 to seek medical help for Rifqa, who had lost sight in her right eye when she fell and struck a toy airplane on a couch at home.
Rifqa, a high-school junior, had been questioning her faith for several months, her father said. She attended one church with friends from school and later attended services at another church, Xenos Christian Fellowship, a megachurch that emphasizes small groups meeting at home.
The church has no record of her being a member but says it's possible, given that the church has nearly 5,000 members, said spokesman Jay Reilly.
After Rifqa proselytized with a Bible at school, Mohamed Bary said, her family asked her to stop because it wasn't an appropriate activity in school. They also told her she had an obligation to study her original faith first, before choosing another.
But Mohamed Bary said that they never threatened to kill or harm the girl. "She is still my daughter," said Bary, 47, a jeweler.
Columbus police also question the girl's claim of being in danger.
Mohamed Bary "comes across to me as a loving, caring, worried father about the whereabouts and the health of his daughter," said Sgt. Jerry Cupp, chief of the Columbus police missing-persons bureau.
The family said Rifqa was baptized a Christian without their knowledge this year in Columbus. Around the same time, the girl met Lorenz through an online Facebook prayer group.
Rifqa's 18-year-old brother, Rilvan, said the family worries about her well-being. "We don't think the safest person is the pastor she met two weeks ago on Facebook," he said.
Rifqa ran away without explanation or a note. She told WFTV that she hitchhiked to the Columbus bus station, then took a bus to Orlando.
Her parents dispute that and say she must have had help because hitchhiking from her home near the northeastern edge of the city would be nearly impossible and she didn't have enough money for the trip to Florida.
The Huffington Post - Rifqa, The Reverand and Apostasy
By Salam Al Marayati
Posted: August 18, 2009 12:43 PM
Fathima Rifqa Bary, who goes by Rifqa, is a 17-year-old from Columbus, Ohio who ran away from home -- not an uncommon occurrence for 17-year-olds. But the circumstances surrounding her story have opened a host of legal, cultural and theological issues.
Her Muslim parents moved the family to the U.S. from Sri Lanka in 2000, seeking medical attention for Rifqa, who had lost her right eye playing with a toy. Rifqa, who the Columbus Dispatch reports was a cheerleader at her high school, joined a Bible study group on Facebook earlier this year and was baptized at a local church.
See the story here.
Last month, she hopped on a bus to Orlando to meet with Rev. Blake Lorenz, who she met through a Facebook prayer group for the couple's non-denominational Global Revolution Church.
Her parents reported their daughter missing and local news covered her disappearance for a full two weeks before police were able to trace her to Lorenz's Orlando church.
Here's what happened when Rifqa was found: Lorenz decides to remain silent and displays Rifqa to a local television news station. She launches into an emotional plea to save her life from Islam. She claims that her parents "love God more than me" and therefore have to perform an honor killing on her. She argues "it's in the Quran". No it's not, sweet little Rifqa. It's not in the Quran. Whoever told you that is either ignorant or a liar. You should look it up yourself before claiming it's in the Quran.Rev. Lorenz is then quoted in a local television station report saying that if a Muslim leaves his religion and does not return to Islam in a couple of days, then he must be killed. He claims that someone showed him the verse. There is no such verse, Rev. Lorenz. In every faith, apostasy is shunned but ultimate judgment is left to God, not people.
Religious conflicts occur in some countries where there are volatile and tense relations between faith groups, particularly where war and ethnic conflicts occur (the Balkans, the Middle East, South Asia). The United States of America is different. Let's preserve the tradition of American religious pluralism and not fall into religious or cultural warfare.
The issue of apostasy is actually addressed in a controversial and oft-misunderstood law. Centuries ago, the apostasy law was actually a treason law, created to address what should happen when a soldier in a Muslim army converts to the other side and then fights against a Muslim country. That's the equivalent of an American working for the Soviet Union during the Cold War, or for the Nazis in World War II. Under U.S. law, treason is punishable by death. Now, state authorities in Florida and Ohio will have to clear up the mess and determine Rifqa's residence. Her father, Mohamed Bary, has a strong endorsement by Sgt. Jerry Cupp of the Columbus Police Department. Cupp told the Associated Press that Bary "comes across to me as a loving, caring, worried father about the whereabouts and the health of his daughter."
For his part, Bary told the Associated Press: "We love her, we want her back, she is free to practice her religion, whatever she believes in, that's OK. What these people are trying to do is not right -- I don't think any religion will teach to separate the kids from their parents."
Mohamed Bary allowed his daughter to become a cheerleader and says she can practice any faith she wants -- clearly, he is not a fundamentalist. He is a concerned father who believes his daughter was brainwashed and kidnapped. Let's see how this story unfolds.
Posted: August 18, 2009 12:43 PM
Fathima Rifqa Bary, who goes by Rifqa, is a 17-year-old from Columbus, Ohio who ran away from home -- not an uncommon occurrence for 17-year-olds. But the circumstances surrounding her story have opened a host of legal, cultural and theological issues.
Her Muslim parents moved the family to the U.S. from Sri Lanka in 2000, seeking medical attention for Rifqa, who had lost her right eye playing with a toy. Rifqa, who the Columbus Dispatch reports was a cheerleader at her high school, joined a Bible study group on Facebook earlier this year and was baptized at a local church.
See the story here.
Last month, she hopped on a bus to Orlando to meet with Rev. Blake Lorenz, who she met through a Facebook prayer group for the couple's non-denominational Global Revolution Church.
Her parents reported their daughter missing and local news covered her disappearance for a full two weeks before police were able to trace her to Lorenz's Orlando church.
Here's what happened when Rifqa was found: Lorenz decides to remain silent and displays Rifqa to a local television news station. She launches into an emotional plea to save her life from Islam. She claims that her parents "love God more than me" and therefore have to perform an honor killing on her. She argues "it's in the Quran". No it's not, sweet little Rifqa. It's not in the Quran. Whoever told you that is either ignorant or a liar. You should look it up yourself before claiming it's in the Quran.Rev. Lorenz is then quoted in a local television station report saying that if a Muslim leaves his religion and does not return to Islam in a couple of days, then he must be killed. He claims that someone showed him the verse. There is no such verse, Rev. Lorenz. In every faith, apostasy is shunned but ultimate judgment is left to God, not people.
Religious conflicts occur in some countries where there are volatile and tense relations between faith groups, particularly where war and ethnic conflicts occur (the Balkans, the Middle East, South Asia). The United States of America is different. Let's preserve the tradition of American religious pluralism and not fall into religious or cultural warfare.
The issue of apostasy is actually addressed in a controversial and oft-misunderstood law. Centuries ago, the apostasy law was actually a treason law, created to address what should happen when a soldier in a Muslim army converts to the other side and then fights against a Muslim country. That's the equivalent of an American working for the Soviet Union during the Cold War, or for the Nazis in World War II. Under U.S. law, treason is punishable by death. Now, state authorities in Florida and Ohio will have to clear up the mess and determine Rifqa's residence. Her father, Mohamed Bary, has a strong endorsement by Sgt. Jerry Cupp of the Columbus Police Department. Cupp told the Associated Press that Bary "comes across to me as a loving, caring, worried father about the whereabouts and the health of his daughter."
For his part, Bary told the Associated Press: "We love her, we want her back, she is free to practice her religion, whatever she believes in, that's OK. What these people are trying to do is not right -- I don't think any religion will teach to separate the kids from their parents."
Mohamed Bary allowed his daughter to become a cheerleader and says she can practice any faith she wants -- clearly, he is not a fundamentalist. He is a concerned father who believes his daughter was brainwashed and kidnapped. Let's see how this story unfolds.
Tuesday, August 18, 2009
Comment By Mr.Zuwairul Ameer
By Zuwairul Ameer,
New York, USA
Dear Brothers & Sisters,
I am sure that you are all well aware of the case of Rifqa Bary, the daughter of a Sri Lankan brother named Bary living in Ohio, USA. Rifqa Bary is converted to Christianity by a group named *Global Revolutionary Church*. The media is manipulating the story in support of this group by producing a video clip where the girl says that her parents are going to kill her and they refer it to as "Honor Killing" in Islam. She also continues to say that she would be sent to her country where Honor Killing is taking place everyday. Even her attorney who is a Cuban Lady goes on to say that Honor Killing by the Muslims takes place in USA everyday.
The Global Revolutionary Church is not only trying to gain recognizance from the public but they are Insulting Islam by having coached the child to give wrong information about our religion. Her instructors doesn't know that Sri Lanka is a Buddhist country therefore they have coached Rifqa Bary to mention that there are 100's of Honor Killing taking place in Sri Lanka. This proves that her trainers does not know whether Sri Lanka is a Muslim country or not . If anyone listen to the video clip with a good headphone you can listen to the instructions given to the girl by the Pastor who was holding her very tight throughout the whole interview. The girl looks very upset and feared.
I was able to talk to Br. Bary few times and he said that his daughter has been influenced by people from this Revolutionary Group to attend classes conducted in their Church. He said that his daughter was missing for three weeks and he informed the Ohio police with regard to that. After three weeks the police have informed that his daughter was in Orlando. He said that a Pastor named Brian Williams from Ohio has arranged with another Pastor in Orlando to transport the girl from Ohio to Orlando and now they are giving a different story to the Media. They have brainwashed the girl for three weeks and now she is giving a different story to the media with fear. According to Ohio State Law this is a kidnapping case and the lawyers from Bary's side are trying to bring this Revolutionary group to Justice.
We need to support Br. Bary.
New York, USA
Dear Brothers & Sisters,
I am sure that you are all well aware of the case of Rifqa Bary, the daughter of a Sri Lankan brother named Bary living in Ohio, USA. Rifqa Bary is converted to Christianity by a group named *Global Revolutionary Church*. The media is manipulating the story in support of this group by producing a video clip where the girl says that her parents are going to kill her and they refer it to as "Honor Killing" in Islam. She also continues to say that she would be sent to her country where Honor Killing is taking place everyday. Even her attorney who is a Cuban Lady goes on to say that Honor Killing by the Muslims takes place in USA everyday.
The Global Revolutionary Church is not only trying to gain recognizance from the public but they are Insulting Islam by having coached the child to give wrong information about our religion. Her instructors doesn't know that Sri Lanka is a Buddhist country therefore they have coached Rifqa Bary to mention that there are 100's of Honor Killing taking place in Sri Lanka. This proves that her trainers does not know whether Sri Lanka is a Muslim country or not . If anyone listen to the video clip with a good headphone you can listen to the instructions given to the girl by the Pastor who was holding her very tight throughout the whole interview. The girl looks very upset and feared.
I was able to talk to Br. Bary few times and he said that his daughter has been influenced by people from this Revolutionary Group to attend classes conducted in their Church. He said that his daughter was missing for three weeks and he informed the Ohio police with regard to that. After three weeks the police have informed that his daughter was in Orlando. He said that a Pastor named Brian Williams from Ohio has arranged with another Pastor in Orlando to transport the girl from Ohio to Orlando and now they are giving a different story to the Media. They have brainwashed the girl for three weeks and now she is giving a different story to the media with fear. According to Ohio State Law this is a kidnapping case and the lawyers from Bary's side are trying to bring this Revolutionary group to Justice.
We need to support Br. Bary.
The Law of Apostasy In Christianity by Sami Zaatari
To all those wise men "Ignorant Christians" (with no offence to the good Christians), before quoting the Holy Quran stupidly and ignorantly read your own book first:
The law of apostasy in Christianity
By Sami Zaatari
Recently Christians have been running around excited about one incident in Afghanistan were a Muslim who converted to Christianity is about to be sentenced to death. One Christian website said:
“Islam is a religion which is very active in seeking to make converts. It MUST change and learn to grant freedom to Muslims to convert to another faith without penalty. In the twenty-first century Islam can no longer continue to be a one-way street, which people may enter but can never
leave.
“The kind of injustice which Abdul Rahman is suffering is one of the principal reasons for Barnabas Fund’s new campaign “The Right to Justice”. I urge Christians and all people of goodwill to sign our petition which calls for justice for Christian minorities [2]. Then please write to your MP, congressman or other elected representative about his case. Please pass this message on to as many people as you can. And please pray.”
Ah yes the typical Christian game of lets grant justice to all, and that we Christians are peace loving people.
First things first, the man who did convert to Christianity should not be killed, and it will be wrong and a SIN on those who do carry out the killing. They should leave the man alone and let him practice Christianity, which I’m sure he knows nothing about and was most likely lied to by a couple of missionaries who offered him money and food if he accepted Jesus. It is the man's own loss, he will indeed suffer a mighty punishment in the hereafter so patience must be exercised, let Allah deal with kaffir in the after-life.
Anyway, let us now deal with the law of apostasy in Christianity, something Christians are very silent on. They often preach about freedom to convert, and the rights of minorities and all, but let us read their own Bible:
Deuteronomy
Chapter 13
KJV
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.
So as you can see, the punishment of apostasy in Christianity is DEATH, and not only that, the one who tries to convert you is also to be put the death!!!! Note even whole cities are to be destroyed!!!!
So Christians are the last one to talk about the punishment of apostasy, since the punishment for apostasy according to the Bible is DEATH.
What will Christians now say? Will they come up with the typical lie they always say when put in a hole that 'oh no we don’t have to follow the OT anymore'. That has become quite a famous line now, anyways, I would like the Christian to show me where this rule has been abrogated or told to not be followed. I have not seen it in the NT.
Secondly, note the ending of the verse, it says KEPP ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS, which also include this command to kill apostates and those who try to convert you. Let us read what Jesus said in the NT:
Luke 10:
18. A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
20. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "
21. "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
So as Jesus himself said, you know the commandments don’t you? Yes, you do, so as Jesus said follow them. And what do we read at the end of Deuteronomy 13:
18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God
So it says keep the commandments, which included killing apostates and those who try to convert you, what did Jesus say? Keep the commandments, ALL OF THEM. Which includes this law of apostasy.
So Christians are the LAST to be talking about freedom to convert. This is just a typical missionary tactic, which is becoming very common now, this also shows how pathetic Christian missionaries really are, and it does show how pathetic some Christian people are also, since they always come preaching how bad Islam is and how Christianity grants freedom for all, obviously they talk from ignorance since most Christians have never even read their own Bible. I am not trying to be offensive in saying that, but it is true, Christians should start reading their own Bible, and read the filth found in it, when you tell a Christian that Judah had sex with his daughter in law and that Jesus comes from this lineage, they call you a liar and a pervert which shows how little they know about their own Bible.
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/judah_and_his_daughter_in_law.htm
Go read your own Bible Christians, stop preaching it to us when you don’t even know what it preaches, and I am sure the afghani who converted doesn’t even know half the filth contained in the Bible.
The real justice that must be done is to ban the Bible, which is true justice, get the Bible banned at once.
Read these articles to see why:
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/judah_and_his_daughter_in_law.htm
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/disturbing_stories_in_the_book.htm
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/terrorinthebible.htm
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/book_with_no_limits.htm
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/ezekiel_23.htm
The law of apostasy in Christianity
By Sami Zaatari
Recently Christians have been running around excited about one incident in Afghanistan were a Muslim who converted to Christianity is about to be sentenced to death. One Christian website said:
“Islam is a religion which is very active in seeking to make converts. It MUST change and learn to grant freedom to Muslims to convert to another faith without penalty. In the twenty-first century Islam can no longer continue to be a one-way street, which people may enter but can never
leave.
“The kind of injustice which Abdul Rahman is suffering is one of the principal reasons for Barnabas Fund’s new campaign “The Right to Justice”. I urge Christians and all people of goodwill to sign our petition which calls for justice for Christian minorities [2]. Then please write to your MP, congressman or other elected representative about his case. Please pass this message on to as many people as you can. And please pray.”
Ah yes the typical Christian game of lets grant justice to all, and that we Christians are peace loving people.
First things first, the man who did convert to Christianity should not be killed, and it will be wrong and a SIN on those who do carry out the killing. They should leave the man alone and let him practice Christianity, which I’m sure he knows nothing about and was most likely lied to by a couple of missionaries who offered him money and food if he accepted Jesus. It is the man's own loss, he will indeed suffer a mighty punishment in the hereafter so patience must be exercised, let Allah deal with kaffir in the after-life.
Anyway, let us now deal with the law of apostasy in Christianity, something Christians are very silent on. They often preach about freedom to convert, and the rights of minorities and all, but let us read their own Bible:
Deuteronomy
Chapter 13
KJV
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. 11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.
12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, 13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; 15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17 And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; 18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.
So as you can see, the punishment of apostasy in Christianity is DEATH, and not only that, the one who tries to convert you is also to be put the death!!!! Note even whole cities are to be destroyed!!!!
So Christians are the last one to talk about the punishment of apostasy, since the punishment for apostasy according to the Bible is DEATH.
What will Christians now say? Will they come up with the typical lie they always say when put in a hole that 'oh no we don’t have to follow the OT anymore'. That has become quite a famous line now, anyways, I would like the Christian to show me where this rule has been abrogated or told to not be followed. I have not seen it in the NT.
Secondly, note the ending of the verse, it says KEPP ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS, which also include this command to kill apostates and those who try to convert you. Let us read what Jesus said in the NT:
Luke 10:
18. A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19. "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.
20. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.' "
21. "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
So as Jesus himself said, you know the commandments don’t you? Yes, you do, so as Jesus said follow them. And what do we read at the end of Deuteronomy 13:
18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God
So it says keep the commandments, which included killing apostates and those who try to convert you, what did Jesus say? Keep the commandments, ALL OF THEM. Which includes this law of apostasy.
So Christians are the LAST to be talking about freedom to convert. This is just a typical missionary tactic, which is becoming very common now, this also shows how pathetic Christian missionaries really are, and it does show how pathetic some Christian people are also, since they always come preaching how bad Islam is and how Christianity grants freedom for all, obviously they talk from ignorance since most Christians have never even read their own Bible. I am not trying to be offensive in saying that, but it is true, Christians should start reading their own Bible, and read the filth found in it, when you tell a Christian that Judah had sex with his daughter in law and that Jesus comes from this lineage, they call you a liar and a pervert which shows how little they know about their own Bible.
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/judah_and_his_daughter_in_law.htm
Go read your own Bible Christians, stop preaching it to us when you don’t even know what it preaches, and I am sure the afghani who converted doesn’t even know half the filth contained in the Bible.
The real justice that must be done is to ban the Bible, which is true justice, get the Bible banned at once.
Read these articles to see why:
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/judah_and_his_daughter_in_law.htm
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/disturbing_stories_in_the_book.htm
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/terrorinthebible.htm
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/book_with_no_limits.htm
http://answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/ezekiel_23.htm
Jewish Propaganda!
Here is my reply to the following link which as you can see has been deleted or removed. Seems like these jews are so afraid of the truth... Ha ha ha... So the only way they can DEAL with it is to DELETE it! How so pathetic!
Please read all the comments down. I hope someone in YouTube can explain why are they one sided and not allowing the comment and the counter comment. So much for freedom of speech! They shamelessly raise slogans of "freeworld" and "freedom of speech" oh! and "democracy" too. What a shame!
I invite anyone to read the below comments and tell me if there is anything abusive in it and why it has got deleted (Ooops maybe it's the truth!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFLakCMM8Wo
Here are my deleted comments:
Please read all the comments down. I hope someone in YouTube can explain why are they one sided and not allowing the comment and the counter comment. So much for freedom of speech! They shamelessly raise slogans of "freeworld" and "freedom of speech" oh! and "democracy" too. What a shame!
I invite anyone to read the below comments and tell me if there is anything abusive in it and why it has got deleted (Ooops maybe it's the truth!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFLakCMM8Wo
Here are my deleted comments:
After viewing this video I have only 3 points.
1. Sri Lanka
is a Buddhist country and she and her parents are Sri Lankans. So stop showing
this picture of you Americans being able to solve problems. It is purely because
the stupid BUSH policies that terrorism was even created. And now you turn
around and simply say that muslims are the terrorists.
If this is a problem
between Islam and Christianity let this Buddhist nation of Sri Lanka be the best
Judge. End of story!
2. The jews are the root cause of all
troubles. Try this. Get lost from Palestine and go to Germany LOL where all the
gasing took place and see what happens. Guess what! THERE WILL BE TROUBLE THERE.
This woman has no brains for her own self. Let alone talking in greater affairs.
Go stick to your own kind.
3. How can you stupidly rule in or rule
out that this is not a brain wash? Or kidnapping? It seems like super deception
to me. Your kids watch movies and start shooting in schools. Now what killing do
you call that? Or is it that the Muslims have Honor Killing and you all have
JUST killing. LOL. Go get busy with your own problems.
Her parents
are Sri Lankan muslims. Here in Sri Lanka everyone marries everyone and we don't
have a problem with it. Come visit Sri Lanka first and learn the fabric and then
speak. You are just like a frog in the well who is croaking with baseless
stuff.
For your information there has never been a case of Honor Killing in
Sri Lanka and no one murders anyone under the pretext of honor or
religion.
Stop your jewish propaganda because you people are ONLY
known for finding trouble and fueling both sides. In order to prolong suffering
and the hardship of other people.
I say if you don't trust the
parents, FINE! Send Rifqa and her parents seperately to Sri Lanka and let the
Sri Lanakan Buddhist court be the best judge. And you people can sit in front of
the TV and just follow the case. Mind your own business and don't put your
fingers and noses into where it doesn't belong.
Monday, August 17, 2009
Rifqa Bary - The Truth
Dear Readers,
These are facts that might be hidden to a normal blogger while refering or reading about The Rifqa Bary Scandal, which I wanted to highlight here since everyone conveniently and stupidly seem to jump onto one side. They cry falsely under the pretexts of "SAVING RIFKA BARY".
Is it logic to save a child from his/her own parents? And whom do you think would love a child more than his or her own parents? So the actual lines SHOULD read:
"SAVING RIFKA BARY FROM THE BRAIN WASHING AND DECEPTION."
Below you will read about the following points which pertains to the case of The Rifqa Bary Scandal.
- Sri Lankan citizen
- Teenage confusion and Pastor Lorenz
- Minor changing religion and Freedom of choice
- Honor Killing
Sri Lankan citizen
It is important to note in this case as per the time of this incident taking place in the court that all parties are Sri Lankan nationals. This means that ONLY in minor offences which concerns at least one US party i.e. a US citizen the US courts can take action.
Since all the parties concerned here are Sri Lankans only the preliminary hearing must be done in USA to ascertain the facts of the case. The ideal court which has the sovereign right to pass a judgment in this case must be a court of Sri Lanka. Not any other.
While a hearing is in progress and a case is not solved yet, no party must be allowed to change their status with regard to citizenship.
This case has two religions involved, namely Islam and Christianity, thus any judgment passed by a court of muslim or Christian Judge may tend to be biased/partial. Therefore the ideal judgment will be that of a Buddhist or Hindu.
The US legal departments cannot extend and prolong it’s indulgence in this case due to the sensitivity of the matter and both parties involved being Sri Lankans.
Why could not Pastor Lorenz take a person of his nationality to preach to instead of taking a Sri Lankan national and a teenage and a girl to test his feeble theories and apply his gimmicks under the disguise of religion and priesthood and tarnish a good religion like Christianity?
Assylum
Rifqa claims falsely that if she is sent to Sri Lanka she will be put in an asylum. Only a psycho therapist can suggest that a person be put in an asylum in Sri Lanka. No one can enter an asylum through their own fancies. Maybe this happens in USA but certainly not in Sri Lanka. And just like everything else Rifqa seems to have got this also wrong.
If the US government is so concerned about her life according to the alleged claims that she has made then why not send her through an independent body to Sri Lanka. Like the Interpole and the Sri Lankan embassy and let the court here in Sri Lanka find her a foster home until the ruling is clear. But under no circumstances and feeble excuses that this has to be taking place in the US specially titling her “The Ohio Teenager Who Fled home”, and stupidly naming her cause “Saving Rifqa Bary”.
Enough with all this misleading, incorrect media gimmicks.
Teenage confusion and Pastor Lorenz Blake
This mess in hand is not about changing of faiths or beliefs. This is a question of teenage confusion and all that which is associated with teenagers in growing stage. Many young children undergo a lot of questioning and a lot of learning takes place at this age through trial and error and not through examining facts leading to solid conviction about what is right and wrong.
It is not common at all that a young teenager would take any interest in religion. Be it Christianity, Islam or any other religion. It is only known that teenagers pay higher attention and show keen interest on entertainment, fun, games and alike. Therefore in this case there is a higher role played by who ever takes the figure of teacher/mentor/guide.
These teachers and guides come under two categories.
1. the ones truly authorized to do so with the full agreement and knowledge of the parents and the child for eg. A teacher in a school, a school counselor, sports coach.
2. The ones who are not authorized because they are total outsiders and they lack the approval of the parents to guide their children for eg. A pastor, a counselor not known to the family, a bus conductor, or any Tom, Dick and Harry.
It is important for a teenager that the sheep be in a sheep skin and a wolf in a wolf skin. A teenager certainly will not be able to identify a wolf in a sheep skin.
Hence a non authorized person in this case Pastor Lorenz Blake playing around with the mind of a young girl and disguising in the role of a guide/mentor to infuse his beliefs and vision into a teenager’s mind, must only be seen as deception.
We trust and expect good advise from professionals such as doctors, clergy and lawyers and they are under oath to act in our best interest. Where in this case do we see the pastor acting in best interest of the said child??? Instead what we see again is deception.
Pastor Lorenz used his status as a pastor and acted as a teacher/mentor to deceive Rifqa into following his personal beliefs and ideology, knowing very well that she is very vulnerable and confused teenager.
He infused her (already confused mind), with his questionable way of thinking. Thus today she follows him in confusion and not by truly being convinced in her new beliefs. What would a child of 17 years old know about Islam or Christianity?
We do hear of many cases of Christian people of knowledge like scientists and even Christian Priests coming into Islam through CONVICTION and not CONFUSION. Why is pastor Lorenz banking on teenage vulnerability in order to spread his ideology? This is a total disgrace and mockery to Christians around the world and Christianity must be away from this sort of cheap acts.
Why couldn’t Pastor Lorenz preach to a muslim man or woman of his age? Or is it that Pastor Lorenz is only good with kids and teenagers? Is Pastor Lorenz a Pedophile in disguise? Haven’t we heard enough of similar cases (child abuse) in Christian Churches in the United States?
Minor changing religion and Freedom of Choice
This is not a case of a minor changing religion nor a freedom of choice. A minor is not mature or wise enough to make such drastic changes. For eg. A child would not know the benefits of drinking milk or the harm of drinking coca cola. They just drink for the taste or fancy. Thus the role of a guardian is apparent and important. To teach them the difference between the two, in terms of food value.
You cannot expect a child or a teenager in their vulnerable ages to choose between going to school or playing football, between studying and watching TV, between eating healthy food which is good for them and junk food or letting them to have drugs and alcohol. Or is this also freedom of choice?
They need the guidance of the parents who are obviously most loving to their own children unlike the love shown by a complete stranger.
This is similar to what is stated in the common wealth law with regard to buying or selling or conducting any business with a minor. (It’s null and void), i.e. everything must be returned to it’s original state and original owner.
In this case Rifqa is not of a legal age (adult) to even enter a cinema to watch an “adults only” movies. So how about changing religions?
At this age not her nor any other teenager has fully understood the good from bad and the consequences of their actions. Thus a major change like this could only come through coaching, brain washing, deceiving and misguiding.
For eg in Sri Lanka there are four main religions. Islam, Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism. Yet dispite of the mixed schools each child is only allowed to go to the classes of their original religion.
Rifqa does not know enough of her own religion even in that she is confused. So how could she know that Christianity is better than Islam or vise versa at the tender age of 13 or 14. This is a clear way to understand that she has been merely picked it in a state of confusion and misguidance by one or a group of people. This is why it is not a question of a minor changing religion nor of freedom of choice but it is indeed a question of deception, misguiding and taking advantage.
If Rifqa was a girl of 21 years at the time of STARTING this conversion then we can say that she is old enough to understand the odds and her choice is made through conviction and not confusion, and deception will be a secondary question and not a primary one.
Honor Killing
Let me clear this wide spread nonsense, confusion of Honor Killing which she (sadly) being coached and mouth fed by Pastor Lorenz and his puppets keep harping on.
Honor Killing is more of a cultural phenomena than of a religious one. A muslim man cannot enforce a ruling of the Quran by his or her own. For eg. The family of the victim cannot kill the murderer of their victim and say that the Quran allows them to do it. Instead the Quran only allows the judge of the Islamic Court to execute the punishment through the rightful law enforcement agents after the murderer has been convicted.
Therefore a parent or a bunch of people acting on their own to enforce judgments and carry out executions at which any level that it may be under the name of honor killing is not in Islam. So don’t portrait Islam as a barbaric religion so you may find sympathy from ill minded, shallow people.
Hence what is mentioned in the Quran is only fully practiced in Saudi Arabia and Islamic countries which practice the Sharia law, which is only a handfull.
And leave honor killing alone. Don’t you American’s have enough of killings for no reason even in Schools which are supposed to be places of education. What do you call the bombing of Afghanistan and the atrocities in Iraq and Gaza? Explain that first.
Arabs kill even for saving the family name in the case of fornication and this doesn’t happen in Sri Lanka. Rifqa and her parents are Sri Lankans so where have you come up with the honor killing idea?
- Teenage confusion and Pastor Lorenz
- Minor changing religion and Freedom of choice
- Honor Killing
Sri Lankan citizen
It is important to note in this case as per the time of this incident taking place in the court that all parties are Sri Lankan nationals. This means that ONLY in minor offences which concerns at least one US party i.e. a US citizen the US courts can take action.
Since all the parties concerned here are Sri Lankans only the preliminary hearing must be done in USA to ascertain the facts of the case. The ideal court which has the sovereign right to pass a judgment in this case must be a court of Sri Lanka. Not any other.
While a hearing is in progress and a case is not solved yet, no party must be allowed to change their status with regard to citizenship.
This case has two religions involved, namely Islam and Christianity, thus any judgment passed by a court of muslim or Christian Judge may tend to be biased/partial. Therefore the ideal judgment will be that of a Buddhist or Hindu.
The US legal departments cannot extend and prolong it’s indulgence in this case due to the sensitivity of the matter and both parties involved being Sri Lankans.
Why could not Pastor Lorenz take a person of his nationality to preach to instead of taking a Sri Lankan national and a teenage and a girl to test his feeble theories and apply his gimmicks under the disguise of religion and priesthood and tarnish a good religion like Christianity?
Assylum
Rifqa claims falsely that if she is sent to Sri Lanka she will be put in an asylum. Only a psycho therapist can suggest that a person be put in an asylum in Sri Lanka. No one can enter an asylum through their own fancies. Maybe this happens in USA but certainly not in Sri Lanka. And just like everything else Rifqa seems to have got this also wrong.
If the US government is so concerned about her life according to the alleged claims that she has made then why not send her through an independent body to Sri Lanka. Like the Interpole and the Sri Lankan embassy and let the court here in Sri Lanka find her a foster home until the ruling is clear. But under no circumstances and feeble excuses that this has to be taking place in the US specially titling her “The Ohio Teenager Who Fled home”, and stupidly naming her cause “Saving Rifqa Bary”.
Enough with all this misleading, incorrect media gimmicks.
Teenage confusion and Pastor Lorenz Blake
This mess in hand is not about changing of faiths or beliefs. This is a question of teenage confusion and all that which is associated with teenagers in growing stage. Many young children undergo a lot of questioning and a lot of learning takes place at this age through trial and error and not through examining facts leading to solid conviction about what is right and wrong.
It is not common at all that a young teenager would take any interest in religion. Be it Christianity, Islam or any other religion. It is only known that teenagers pay higher attention and show keen interest on entertainment, fun, games and alike. Therefore in this case there is a higher role played by who ever takes the figure of teacher/mentor/guide.
These teachers and guides come under two categories.
1. the ones truly authorized to do so with the full agreement and knowledge of the parents and the child for eg. A teacher in a school, a school counselor, sports coach.
2. The ones who are not authorized because they are total outsiders and they lack the approval of the parents to guide their children for eg. A pastor, a counselor not known to the family, a bus conductor, or any Tom, Dick and Harry.
It is important for a teenager that the sheep be in a sheep skin and a wolf in a wolf skin. A teenager certainly will not be able to identify a wolf in a sheep skin.
Hence a non authorized person in this case Pastor Lorenz Blake playing around with the mind of a young girl and disguising in the role of a guide/mentor to infuse his beliefs and vision into a teenager’s mind, must only be seen as deception.
We trust and expect good advise from professionals such as doctors, clergy and lawyers and they are under oath to act in our best interest. Where in this case do we see the pastor acting in best interest of the said child??? Instead what we see again is deception.
Pastor Lorenz used his status as a pastor and acted as a teacher/mentor to deceive Rifqa into following his personal beliefs and ideology, knowing very well that she is very vulnerable and confused teenager.
He infused her (already confused mind), with his questionable way of thinking. Thus today she follows him in confusion and not by truly being convinced in her new beliefs. What would a child of 17 years old know about Islam or Christianity?
We do hear of many cases of Christian people of knowledge like scientists and even Christian Priests coming into Islam through CONVICTION and not CONFUSION. Why is pastor Lorenz banking on teenage vulnerability in order to spread his ideology? This is a total disgrace and mockery to Christians around the world and Christianity must be away from this sort of cheap acts.
Why couldn’t Pastor Lorenz preach to a muslim man or woman of his age? Or is it that Pastor Lorenz is only good with kids and teenagers? Is Pastor Lorenz a Pedophile in disguise? Haven’t we heard enough of similar cases (child abuse) in Christian Churches in the United States?
Minor changing religion and Freedom of Choice
This is not a case of a minor changing religion nor a freedom of choice. A minor is not mature or wise enough to make such drastic changes. For eg. A child would not know the benefits of drinking milk or the harm of drinking coca cola. They just drink for the taste or fancy. Thus the role of a guardian is apparent and important. To teach them the difference between the two, in terms of food value.
You cannot expect a child or a teenager in their vulnerable ages to choose between going to school or playing football, between studying and watching TV, between eating healthy food which is good for them and junk food or letting them to have drugs and alcohol. Or is this also freedom of choice?
They need the guidance of the parents who are obviously most loving to their own children unlike the love shown by a complete stranger.
This is similar to what is stated in the common wealth law with regard to buying or selling or conducting any business with a minor. (It’s null and void), i.e. everything must be returned to it’s original state and original owner.
In this case Rifqa is not of a legal age (adult) to even enter a cinema to watch an “adults only” movies. So how about changing religions?
At this age not her nor any other teenager has fully understood the good from bad and the consequences of their actions. Thus a major change like this could only come through coaching, brain washing, deceiving and misguiding.
For eg in Sri Lanka there are four main religions. Islam, Christianity, Buddhism and Hinduism. Yet dispite of the mixed schools each child is only allowed to go to the classes of their original religion.
Rifqa does not know enough of her own religion even in that she is confused. So how could she know that Christianity is better than Islam or vise versa at the tender age of 13 or 14. This is a clear way to understand that she has been merely picked it in a state of confusion and misguidance by one or a group of people. This is why it is not a question of a minor changing religion nor of freedom of choice but it is indeed a question of deception, misguiding and taking advantage.
If Rifqa was a girl of 21 years at the time of STARTING this conversion then we can say that she is old enough to understand the odds and her choice is made through conviction and not confusion, and deception will be a secondary question and not a primary one.
Honor Killing
Let me clear this wide spread nonsense, confusion of Honor Killing which she (sadly) being coached and mouth fed by Pastor Lorenz and his puppets keep harping on.
Honor Killing is more of a cultural phenomena than of a religious one. A muslim man cannot enforce a ruling of the Quran by his or her own. For eg. The family of the victim cannot kill the murderer of their victim and say that the Quran allows them to do it. Instead the Quran only allows the judge of the Islamic Court to execute the punishment through the rightful law enforcement agents after the murderer has been convicted.
Therefore a parent or a bunch of people acting on their own to enforce judgments and carry out executions at which any level that it may be under the name of honor killing is not in Islam. So don’t portrait Islam as a barbaric religion so you may find sympathy from ill minded, shallow people.
Hence what is mentioned in the Quran is only fully practiced in Saudi Arabia and Islamic countries which practice the Sharia law, which is only a handfull.
And leave honor killing alone. Don’t you American’s have enough of killings for no reason even in Schools which are supposed to be places of education. What do you call the bombing of Afghanistan and the atrocities in Iraq and Gaza? Explain that first.
Arabs kill even for saving the family name in the case of fornication and this doesn’t happen in Sri Lanka. Rifqa and her parents are Sri Lankans so where have you come up with the honor killing idea?
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